THE PLAGUE
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This interview was conducted by Deathrock.com
(Mark Splatter) December, 2000. The Plague were a New York City
deathrock band in the mid to late '80s, with roots in both punk
and gothic. They were fronted by the domineering presence of the
exotic margot Day, dressed in torn leather and vinyl, backed by
Christian and Bones on guitar and bass. Since then, Margot Day
has been a solo artist in New York.
DR: When did you start with the Plague?
MD: Late one night in the 80’s
I was walking through the dark forest in upstate New York, I heard
a voice, mysterious, dark, evil, beautiful and ethereal (I followed
the voice but never found anyone). Green and Black visions filled
my soul, entwining the Dark & Light - the essence of the Plague
was born. Back on the lower eastside of NYC (which was very slummy
at that time) while living with Christian- my lover and guitar
player- we started writing songs on a 4 track …Bones the
bass player just appeared - he just happened, he was meant to
be. Bones was brilliant, powerful and his darkness filled the
bottom end of Plague..DR: What was the Plague about to you? How
do you feel about that material now?MD: The Plague was my soul,
my NYC family - the drummers came and went - but the 3 of us had
a deep level, past life connection..I still love the songs. The
Plague songs are full of visions of pain, passion, pleasure, and
longing for immortality with "Vampyre" and "Never
Die". Songs of power, life, death, sex, and magic, as in
"Empress", "Suicide Queen", and "Murder".
DR: What kind of music were you
listening to during that time? Did it directly influence you?
MD: I lived in the club scene. Almost every night our black clad
tribe of strangers and friends, children of the night, went out.
We lived, played and performed at Danceteria, Limelight, Cat club,
Pyramid, CB’s etc..I heard music music music, I was immersed
in music — its all a blur now — I was weaned on everything
from Bauhaus to the Cure to Siouxsie to the Ramones, to David
Bowie to Violet Femmes to the Dead Kennedy’s to Ministry
to… Did the music influence me? Yes, It was my life
DR: Were there any bands on a similar
level to the Plague? Were you Friends with any bands? I can recall
one New York Band from '87 called Of A Mesh. Ever hear of them?
MD: Yes we played on the same bill
as Of A Mesh, and also Nausea, Ludachrist, False Prophets [a great
NYC punk band], Farenheight 451… White Zombie (with Rob
Zombie) where around too, as well as many other great bands…
DR: What were shows like with the Plague? Did you have an elaborate
stage performance?
MD: The shows where wild and intense. The elaborateness of the
stage show came from the pounding rhythms, mixed with luscious
melodies. The show was very visual with our tattoos, our blood
and pain, our being half naked with torn leather and vinyl…this
was the stage show..our lives where the stage show.DR: Were there
any other songs for the Plague besides what appeared on the album?
Many other songs where never recorded. We never recorded "Having
Fun In Hell". Or "Mantis" .. But some of the songs
on my latest album where originally conceived during the Plague
time, such as "Neptune" and "Sacred Life".
Also "So Beautiful So Deadly" is made of samples from
the Plague song "Suicide Queen" from when we did a show
at CBGB’s.
DR: What was the Wildest thing
that ever Happened with the Plague?
MD: The Wildest thing? The Plague’s
very first show. In a abandoned building amongst hundreds of punks
and skins, we opened for the Cro-mags and the Bad Brains with
the song Food For Vultures. I remember the anarchy, the rush,
the power, the freedom of releasing that first song for the first
time.
DR: Your music now is less rock
oriented than the Plague was. What influenced your progression?Did
you accomplish what you were trying to do with The Plague, and
then move on? Or is What you are doing now more what you always
wanted to do?
MD: Humans have evolved, music
is evolving, I am evolving from playing my flute and meditating
and listening to every sound without amplification, to The Plague
as loud and powerful as rock can be, to electronic music using
all of the sounds and samples of the universe, this is evolution..And
yes I did exactly what I wanted to do, and now I am doing exactly
what I want to do, only now I have the technology at my home to
create what I hear in the collective consciousness and the sounds
that are haunting my mind come alive as I truly hear them, for
now, with the new technology, there is more freedom.
DR: In your Bio it says that you’ve
worked with many well known people.
What was your work with Nick Zedd (the NY independent filmmaker,
Director of one of my favorites, "They Eat Scum"). What
did you do with London May (of Samhain)?MD: Ahh, Nick Zedd, I
was in-love with him. We lived together for a few months. I think
I may have broken his heart (if such a thing is possible). What
an experience he was. Nick Zedd was pre-Plague and a big influence
on my life. I had just returned to NYC and Nick showed me the
underground world he lived in, full of dust and slime and rebellion,
we lived on nuts and passion. He kissed me, bit my throat, and
his fingers squeezed my soul - The Plague song Vampyre was inspired
in part by Nick. I helped shoot one of Nicks films-and Nick’s
first time in Drag was in my dress. Nick introduced me to Richard
Kern and Jim Thirwell (NIN). Richard did a film of Christian(The
Plague Guitar player) strangling me with blood squirting everywhere,
for the stage back drop of Jim Thirwell’s live show. Nick
was a very memorable part of my life.London May was one of the
drummers that played with us for a short while.
DR: You’ve embarked on a
successful solo career. What happened to the other guys from the
Plague?
MD: Christian disappeared; Bones has gone on to play in various
different groups, such as Missing Foundation and Disassociates.
DR: What are your musical plans for the future?
MD: Of course more live shows. I’ve done a lot of touring
in the last few years. From NYC to Texas to California. I am available
to play in any large festivals, put the word out or email me at
Also I am recording new music and working on several music video’s.
I am my own web mistress and will be updating my website with
lots of new photo’s and a few video’s soon.
DR: One last question - on the
Plague LP, you thanked Joe Truck. Is that the tattoo artist? I
have a tattoo by Joe Truck!
MD: Yes Joe Truck is the Tattoo
artist. He played in a band called the Braineaters that was on
the same bills with us often. Joe Truck was a good friend and
strong supporter of The Plague.
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REVIEW: Margot Day/The Plague -
The Plague MP3
By Mike Ventarola During the latter part of the 1980's, many bands
in New York City were undergoing a musical transition for a post
disco, post punk rock hybrid sound called New Wave in order to
capitalize on the growing MTV trend of "alternative"
music. Others bucked this trend and took their punk rock angst
to a more somber and dark level and began the trend that eventually
became known as Goth, borrowing from the name given to the stark
and ornate architecture from a bygone era. The Plague, featuring
Margot Day, was one such band at the outset of this Goth explosion.
They have often been credited with being one of the early progenitors
to the sound and style, along with other bands such as Bauhaus,
Specimen, et. al., ... The Plague's self-titled album was initially
met with much excitement from the little indie record shops that
sprang up in the city at that time. Word of mouth made it a hot
selling item as new fans jumped aboard this type of music that
seemed to speak to their dark natures in ways that the glam pretty
new wave bands couldn't.The Plague's vinyl album eventually sold
out, never to be seen again except on bootlegs that managed to
travel around the world a few times. With the advent of new technology,
Margot Day has re-released this classic body of work.., making
it possible for fans, old and new, to experience the Empress of
the Goth underground on a much wider scale.This recording creates
a bittersweet longing for this era when the genre was still in
its transitional stages and not overcrowded with pretension. It
was a period when there wasn't a snob appeal categorization with
Goth, death metal, doom, punk, etc., simply because these genres
had not been as yet named. All alternative music was placed together,
so one could simply hear the darker bands along with some of the
New Wave artists, with some veering towards a darker side of the
musical spectrum. The Goth genre had barely become warm when the
corporate labels started to pour excessive amounts of money and
PR into campaigns designed to coddle and cultivate the underground
bands for the next hot attraction. Once a band was in the label's
lair, the music "giants" had the bands recreate their
sound for a more mass-market appeal. Blondie was only one of many
bands that underwent such a transition from punk to pop. This
was an era before the Internet and the power brokers of the major
labels reigned from the ivory towers to determine the music choices
of the generation. Independent artists found it quite expensive
to pour every dime they had to cut a record, find a distributor
and then try to find additional cash to promote their gigs. Fans
of the underground were true supporters in every sense of the
word. They were fueled by the passion for music that dared to
defy the constraints of society and the dull idle thinking of
the major market. The small shops that carried items catering
to this bohemian lifestyle became a boon for many longing for
alternative artistic expression. Despite the ardent fans who embraced
the scene, most did not have the financial resources to support
the many endeavors in the underground. Band's anticipated the
day that they were offered a contract simply because it meant
more exposure and they could make a full time living from their
music. Without the major assistance of a major company, most bands
would fade into obscurity simply because there was no financially
practical means of networking to reach a larger core audience.
Margot took some time out from her busy schedule to give us some
highlights of life during that era.MV: When did The Plague actually
disband?
Margot: Spring 1988, and at the
time it broke my heart. I felt total desolation. I went in search
of my soul mate and then lived on dreams and pain. Fortunately
my muses stayed with me and I went on to sing and sing….
MV: Describe life in the lower east side during that period. You
touched upon it in the interview that is posted on your website,
but I want to get a feeling for the element that was around that
seemed to spark the muse for so many people back then.
Margot: Hot, sweaty, sexy, dirty, dark, intense rebellion! Graffiti
and drugs were everywhere and no despair. Freedom, oh such freedom.
The Plague, as part of the gothic genesis was right before AIDS
really hit hard, and way before the war on drugs. Orgies were
common, and cross-dressing was part of the fashion. Anything goes...
I remember a unity between the punks and skins and even some of
the left over glam rockers. The anarchy was against the normals,
against society, and so there was a convergence in the underground.
And a passion against the establishment because it was soooo strong
then, and we were unique, exotic, uncanny and different - very
"Us" verses "Them.
"MV: What was the musical
environment like while you were gigging? Margot: The environment
was exciting. We played with many great bands and we played everywhere.
From the dark dingy lower eastside basement shows to the main
stage at the Limelight. We had a strong following that came to
our shows.
MV: Was Goth more popular then
or now?
Margot: We were not popular to
the normals; we were considered pretentious and frightening. The
Gothic life style… We were the dark clad tribe, we were
the magic ones, and we were the ones that made-love in the graveyards.
High fenced in graveyards, where we escaped the cement and asphalt
to drink red wine and lie in the moonlight. We entwined what others
couldn't or wouldn't understand. Our music was about immortality,
death, pain and the supernatural. Unique, and elite, we embraced
the darkness where others didn't dare to tread. I am thrilled
that from the spark that was gothic then, a fire has grown, and
Goth today has spread around the globe.
MV: How have your stage shows developed
since the early days?
Margot: I was very very young then…The
Plague was known in part for our live shows, wild and erotic…
my shows are still called wild and erotic. Having just gone on
various mini tours from Seattle to NYC, my voice is more intense
and I'm more able to sing with the muses and part the dimensions
then ever before.
MV:The cover of The Plague depicts
Day as the driver of an antique horse-drawn carriage bearing her
other band mates. The image helps to conjure subliminal impressions
that declare that the work is classic, driven and eternally stylish.
It is almost as if she sensed the timelessness of the band's music
even from the outset of their beginnings. Naraka paints a sense
of summer in the city during this period of time. The punk element
was privy to seeing people in the gutter, strung out from whatever
chemical of choice they had imbibed in. They also saw the horrors
of a world that the so-called normals of society refused to acknowledge,
such as the homeless, the runaways, the abused as well as people
suffering from illnesses without the health coverage for obtaining
adequate medical attention. "Sweating in the city, charred
bodies remind me of you, people lying in the gutter, people crying
in the night, people fighting for their lives, people dying by
the knife…" In a sense the song is almost prophetic
in what is seen on a more massive scale these days in major cities
across the globe. Never Die harkens back to the age when real
instruments were used. Guitar, drum, flute and bass combine beautifully
around a song about immortality. It could also be stated that
this song helped to give rise to the growing vampire theme in
music as well. "I have the mark of Cain, I am one of the
special ones, don't give me the last rights, I'll live forever
in the afterlife…" Empress boldly opens with a heavy
sound that segues into an alternative ballad. It gives us hope
in sorrow and darkness with a world ready to swallow us whole.
"On the road again, it's a wet moon tonight, wear your cape
of darkness, wear your cloak of light, for only you can find your
way, In the dark-eyed night, you are the empress of laughter/
you are the empress of sorrow/ you are the empress of dreams…"Suicide
Queen really gets in with the fast speed of the punk era without
losing a step. This song was also sampled on a later song Day
recorded entitled SoBeautifulSoDeadly. "The razor blade shines,
it wants your blood, flirting with death, run for your life, running
on the razor's edge…" On Murder guitar and flute open
the track that progresses to dire lyrics of murder, sublimated
as a reverse metaphor for a sexual release. "Danger rides
in the dead of night, he crawls up and down my spine, danger rides
in the dead of night, he crawls up and down my thighs, now I found
you drowning in the red rum, you were the darkened one…"SoBeautifulSoDeadly
is a bonus track on the MP3 CD that was not initially available
on the vinyl recording. This is a song of longing to get away
from the present world that seems unenduring and inescapable.
Samples from Suicide Queen are strategically placed within the
song. This track is part trip hop and part Middle Eastern and
demonstrates the progress of Day as an artist to venture into
a multitude of sound and still come out sounding fresh and unique.
Paradise of Pain is sonically the darkest song on the album and
demonstrates the rise of the Goth movement as it veered from death
like lyrics to also begin to include haunting sounds and macabre
chord changes. The Plague deals with subject matter that ranges
from death, immortality, murder, and suicide. This was not exactly
the type of lyric content that made the music industry comfortable.
Their blindness to elements of society that were not pretty only
helped to alienate the consumer further. Eventually this gave
rise to an ever-growing body of consumers who patronized the indie
market that the major labels did not anticipate as impacting on
their bottom line. Today, however, they are singing another tune
as they realized their blunder and are starting to lose money
in record-breaking figures. However, during 1987, the time of
The Plague's release, the period gave rise to songs such as Heaven
is a Place on Earth by post Go-Go's Belinda Carlisle along with
U2's With Or Without You. This was a major transitional period
in society as the AIDS crisis was in full swing, taking away friends
and loved ones in record numbers. Death was everywhere and most
people were afraid to talk about it. Society had begun to veer
towards an element of paranoia and avoided anything that dealt
with mortality. The music companies fed this paranoia by providing
the masses with songs that had religious undertones to embrace
the "New Age" that was to dawn. Yet in the underground,
they saw the harshness of the real world firsthand and realized
it had to be dealt with as a part of life and its ever flowing
cycle. The Plague stands out as a body of work that demarcates
a timeline period in New York history. It demonstrates that the
underground, though part of the outer fringes of society, gave
a voice to our discontent, angst and ability to see reality in
all its abrasiveness. The CD sounds as fresh today as it did in
1987; only viewing it in hindsight clearly indicates the prophetic
visions that our chanteuse, Margot Day, seemed to channel while
the rest of the world was falling apart.